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Mick H
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DaveH
GP Superstar
United Kingdom
847 Posts |
 Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 17:38:56
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Originally posted by Mick H
No surprises, maybe Danny King was unlucky.
http://www.british-speedway.co.uk/news.php?extend.7944
When you look at the choices available to Rob Lyons Danny King is just about the only other one in with a chance. All the other great hopes seem to have lost their edge. |
Cry God For Hammers, Arena Essex & St George.
There are two things to remember in life.........................And I've forgotten both of them.
"Common Sense"..... Why if it's common is it rarely found?
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Goldhawk
GP Superstar
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Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 18:04:12
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| Kennett is going backwards and has very flawed riding style if he wants to progress. Tia is the only young English rider i've seen looking certain to rise in the sport. |
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kentnewseasonholder
GP Superstar
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 18:04:40
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Watching Kennett and Bridger this season,it looks like two more British riders that looked promising but ending up not going that extra step ?
Like Stead,Allen,Wright,etc etc. |
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DaveH
GP Superstar
United Kingdom
847 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 18:14:26
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When you look in the Premier League there is hardly a wealth of young British talent coming through at the moment. |
Cry God For Hammers, Arena Essex & St George.
There are two things to remember in life.........................And I've forgotten both of them.
"Common Sense"..... Why if it's common is it rarely found?
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Nobby
GP Superstar
United Kingdom
8265 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 19:10:45
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Originally posted by kentnewseasonholder
Watching Kennett and Bridger this season,it looks like two more British riders that looked promising but ending up not going that extra step ?
Like Stead,Allen,Wright,etc etc.
To be honest, any rider that has to ride at Brandon or Kirky Lane every week has a good excuse for floundering IMHO as I can't remember the last time I saw either of those two tracks looking well prepared. Lumps, bumps and potholes all over the place !!! |
Remember that any path that you take in life that doesn't have obstacles in the way, probably isn't a path worth taking !
Jon and Stuart's Claret and Blue Army !!
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Mick H
GP Superstar
362 Posts |
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DaveH
GP Superstar
United Kingdom
847 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2010 : 20:52:32
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Originally posted by kentnewseasonholder
Watching Kennett and Bridger this season,it looks like two more British riders that looked promising but ending up not going that extra step ?
Like Stead,Allen,Wright,etc etc.
It seems that Kennett & Bridger need Eastbourne as much as Eastbourne needs them. |
Cry God For Hammers, Arena Essex & St George.
There are two things to remember in life.........................And I've forgotten both of them.
"Common Sense"..... Why if it's common is it rarely found?
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Cliv Clav
GP Superstar
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 11:48:48
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Originally posted by DaveH
When you look in the Premier League there is hardly a wealth of young British talent coming through at the moment.
When the BSPA allow Premier teams to fill their ENTIRE team with foreigners, it's no surprise.
They should impose a rule saying that Premier teams can have a maximum of 3 foreign riders in their 1-7.
The BSPA should also not allow foreign riders to double-up.
Look at Birmingham, 7 foreign riders to start the season and 3 of those also double-up in the Elite League! Talk about progressing foreign talent! |
The track is still called Arena Essex, not Lakeside! Lakeside is over the road and full of shops!!
Herne Bay - The Craziest Spot in England |
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DaveH
GP Superstar
United Kingdom
847 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 12:56:43
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Cry God For Hammers, Arena Essex & St George.
There are two things to remember in life.........................And I've forgotten both of them.
"Common Sense"..... Why if it's common is it rarely found?
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Bryn
GP Superstar
1486 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 13:06:24
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Originally posted by Cliv Clav
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Originally posted by DaveH
When you look in the Premier League there is hardly a wealth of young British talent coming through at the moment.
When the BSPA allow Premier teams to fill their ENTIRE team with foreigners, it's no surprise.
They should impose a rule saying that Premier teams can have a maximum of 3 foreign riders in their 1-7.
The BSPA should also not allow foreign riders to double-up.
Look at Birmingham, 7 foreign riders to start the season and 3 of those also double-up in the Elite League! Talk about progressing foreign talent!
Just a point for discussion then, as you are suggesting restrictions in terms of Premier League clubs, would you also suggest some for Elite League clubs? |
Wales defeated England in a fast a furious game, we sang Cwm Rhondda and Delilah - damn they sounded both the same!
(Sorry - couldn't resist! Hell no I'm NOT sorry - we thrashed you lot!) |
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Cliv Clav
GP Superstar
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 13:46:23
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Originally posted by Bryn
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Originally posted by Cliv Clav
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Originally posted by DaveH
When you look in the Premier League there is hardly a wealth of young British talent coming through at the moment.
When the BSPA allow Premier teams to fill their ENTIRE team with foreigners, it's no surprise.
They should impose a rule saying that Premier teams can have a maximum of 3 foreign riders in their 1-7.
The BSPA should also not allow foreign riders to double-up.
Look at Birmingham, 7 foreign riders to start the season and 3 of those also double-up in the Elite League! Talk about progressing foreign talent!
Just a point for discussion then, as you are suggesting restrictions in terms of Premier League clubs, would you also suggest some for Elite League clubs?
No, I wouldn't personally.
I believe the Elite should try to use the best riders in the World to fill their teams, under a points limit of course. If some of those are Brits, great.
If the Premier League was full of young Brits, as the regulations would enforce, many more would improve to heatleader standard. So, there would be a lot averaging 8 points or more and Elite clubs would be snapping them up anyway!
How many Brits under 30 are averaging 8+ in the Premier? Maybe 2? Auty and Frampton. That's a ridiculously low number. |
The track is still called Arena Essex, not Lakeside! Lakeside is over the road and full of shops!!
Herne Bay - The Craziest Spot in England |
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Bryn
GP Superstar
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 14:07:05
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No, I wouldn't personally.
I believe the Elite should try to use the best riders in the World to fill their teams, under a points limit of course. If some of those are Brits, great.
If the Premier League was full of young Brits, as the regulations would enforce, many more would improve to heatleader standard. So, there would be a lot averaging 8 points or more and Elite clubs would be snapping them up anyway!
How many Brits under 30 are averaging 8+ in the Premier? Maybe 2? Auty and Frampton. That's a ridiculously low number.
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Fair enough BUT aren't Premier League clubs primarily businesses, the same as Elite League clubs? So surely, on that basis, what's good for one is good for both? Only posing a question NOT expressing any view on the matter at this stage. |
Wales defeated England in a fast a furious game, we sang Cwm Rhondda and Delilah - damn they sounded both the same!
(Sorry - couldn't resist! Hell no I'm NOT sorry - we thrashed you lot!) |
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Cliv Clav
GP Superstar
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 14:48:21
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Originally posted by Cliv Clav
No, I wouldn't personally.
I believe the Elite should try to use the best riders in the World to fill their teams, under a points limit of course. If some of those are Brits, great.
If the Premier League was full of young Brits, as the regulations would enforce, many more would improve to heatleader standard. So, there would be a lot averaging 8 points or more and Elite clubs would be snapping them up anyway!
How many Brits under 30 are averaging 8+ in the Premier? Maybe 2? Auty and Frampton. That's a ridiculously low number.
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Originally posted by Bryn
Fair enough BUT aren't Premier League clubs primarily businesses, the same as Elite League clubs? So surely, on that basis, what's good for one is good for both? Only posing a question NOT expressing any view on the matter at this stage.
No, I don't think the same rules should apply to both Leagues. I believe we MUST start to restructure our leagues to promote the progression of young Brits through the sport in this country. If we don't, we will never put together a National team that can challenge the Poles or Aussies.
We now have the National League in place, which is more than when I was trying to break into the sport. This gives young riders a good stepping stone into league speedway. But, the National League should not include Aussies, in my opinion.
However, no Brits are progressing from the PL to the EL and making a success of it. Or very, very few. So, we need to put a step in place to enable the Brits to make that last step. If they are scoring a lot in the Premier and attracting sponsors because of their high status in the PL, it will encourage them to move up and make it easier for them, especially as the EL teams will want them too due to their success in the PL.
Surely Premier clubs would rather employ Brits that don't require any air fares to fly them into the country for their meetings. If they are more local riders, they could form closer bonds with fans and be more available for club events and advertising.
I just think we need to massively reduce the number of foreigners in the PL, if we want British riders to have good stepping stones through to the top of our domestic League racing. This in turn, will produce more International standard riders and make us a real force again and the sport more marketable to new fans and sponsors.
Once the PL is brimming with good young Brits of a high standard, then maybe introduce a rule to have British reserves only in the Elite.
I know you are only posing the question Bryn. I am more than happy for the discussion. |
The track is still called Arena Essex, not Lakeside! Lakeside is over the road and full of shops!!
Herne Bay - The Craziest Spot in England |
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The Little Un
GP Superstar
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 15:35:51
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Some say that limiting foreign riders is not workable but the Rugby League's Superleague has a limit on overseas players and a cap on wages for their team pools: If anything the sport and the league have become more profitable and more entertaining. You now have Leeds players who are Leeds born and bred Leeeds and St Helens player who are St Helens born and bred. The biggest growth in fans is among the young because they like it that they might see their local star shopping in Waitrose.
I do not agree with a total ban on foreign riders in any of the leagues and I think RR was right on having a limited number of foreign riders in the PL. Of course at the time that allowing a limited number of riders into the PL was on the table it was given the typical BSPA response and threw the baby out with water and said We might as well have a league of foreign riders only.
I would limit the EL to having to having two British riders at reserve and given time the policy decided for last year would have worked. I would be quit happy to see riders of the calibre of Leigh Lanham permanently at reserve but he is of the standard that EL reserves need to be.
I would limit the PL to three foreign riders, who would have to ride at one, three and five.
I am not sure about the NL as right now it is the retirement home worn out PL heatleaders.
Of course if the BSPA promoters trusted their fellow promoters, there would be a wage cap on the squads in all three leagues.
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old bob at herne bay
GP Superstar
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 16:17:22
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Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted comes to mind.
There are now so few UK riders available the PL would struggle to find enough riders to fill 7 man teams !
AS for the el there are so few meetings taking place I doubt any young up and coming rider could afford to ride in this league.
The loss of second half opportunities at all eltracks has serioulsy dented the supply of budding yung reserves with track experioence who could be called upon to be given a trial at an el club. PLUS the over complicated and restrictive regulations governing who can be used in a reserve berth deny clubs the chance to try new reserve riders. |
Herne Bay - The Healthiest Spot in England |
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