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Goldhawk
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 Posted - 27 Jul 2010 : 18:37:04
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Originally posted by intrepid_taurean
For me the winner was Speedway.
Yes GB won and that was great.That meeting for me was the best advert for TV that you could have had.For once Pearson's rantings were near the mark!!!
Anything that you love about the sport was there,great racing,passing,some controversy,good track (that the riders liked).
And what an atmosphere!! Big big crowd.
That track and stadia were Elite league class,surely if money could be found then KL should and could be in the EL.
Someone watching with me was well chuffed with what he saw and he doesn't like sport.
Regardless of which Hammer was racing Speedway for me was the big winner.
Love or loath the big occasions last night was a treat!!
Couldn't agree more , a way HAS to be found to bring The Stars,The Sheffield Tigers, The Brummies back to top flight in 2011 and why not the Rebels too while we at it.
Great to hear Reading's new stadium still planned, we must rebuild the E.L. in this country back to former glory and there must be a plan to do so. TOP PRIORITY ! |
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old bob at herne bay
GP Superstar
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Jul 2010 : 22:18:43
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Cannot agree with the continuing assumption that somehow there is a way to rebuild upon the declining 'el' structure in this country.
We see one decent 'one off' meeting at Kings Lynn where Great Britain pull off a shock victory, and the future is somehow all rosy.
Let's face it we haven't had a home el meeting on a regular race night in the 'el' for months and our next regular race night meeting isn't until 6th August. How can our lesser riders be making any money ?
More teams in the el ?? They would never finish the fixtures.
I just don't see this as a viable proposition, and I doubt many of the undermentioned PL club promoters do either.
The 'SGP' and other multiple individual 'championship' meetings will continue to grow, and these indivisual events will dominate World Speedway on EVERY weekend in the foreseeable future. The handful of 'el' clubs who can viably operate on midweek evenings will continue to operate until the supply of willing itinerant international riders give up riding in 'el' speedway.
The future survivors of the present 'el' (and sadly I don't count Lakeside as one of that number )will then merge with a number of surviving PL teams to re form one league with a handful of conference league style outfits continiuing on an ad hoc basis.
'el' speedway in its current form is a dying art form, as it is completely neutered by the SGP and other FIM approved championship events.
I hope I am proven wrong. |
Herne Bay - The Healthiest Spot in England |
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john mitchell
GP Superstar
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 11:22:37
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| if thats the case then bob you can easily do 2 things.do away with the crazy play-offs or as a last resort do away with a and b fixtures. |
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Goldhawk
GP Superstar
2707 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 17:30:32
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A long hard look at how E.L. needs to be rebuilt needs to take place this winter. I am absolutely convinced that numbers HAVE to come up by three minimum and I think to get enough top riders to ride here and make it viable for new teams one meeting home and away a season may be way forward with one/two K.O.Cup + K.O. and Playoff semis and finals if applicable.
Lets say 12 can be achieved for next season + two K.O. + total 14 meetings + any finals ( max 4 ) = 14 - 18 meetings, maybe with challenge/individual 16 - 20.Surely with around 28 home dates in a season G.P.weeks could be missed and have fortnightly these weeks so not to clash.
You can put up a 100 arguments why this can't be done but unless repetitive fixtures sorted out then missing fans will continue to stay away.
What does above give us ? VARIETY AND STRONGER E.L. AND HOPEFULLY MANY MISSING STAR RIDERS TO BRING BACK THE FANS.SKY AND OTHER SPONSORS NEEDED TO HELP EFFECT.
Thereafter any winning P.L. team on winning can be elevated to E.L. until E.L. back to 14 teams with full cash incentive from Sky to do so. |
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The Little Un
GP Superstar
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 18:55:14
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The first thing that has got to happen is for the promoters to give up on the pretence that speeway clubs will ride a home meeting every week of the season.
Let us go to one week home and one week away, which with the thirty plus week season would fine: You could have one home and one away meetin at the start of the season until all the other stuff starts.
This showed how many of the "Superstars" will fall over to ride here in individual and testimonial meeting until Poland starts racing. Every EL club should be putting ona top line meeting to start the season and tempt more supports out of their nice warm homes in March/Early April.
I would like the EL have a proper four team championship, though you would need a group of four and group of five in the first round's "Round Robin: Maybe with one team drawn out the hat to get a bye straight to the final. Why not a meaningful pairs: One semi-final with two teams given byes straight to the final but now allowing it to be the same team that got the bye in the fours.
Abolish the KO Cup and replace it with an "Elite Trophy" competition with two groups in a round robin first round: The semi-finals and final could be the same as used by the PL. This would make a better competition to bear the name of Peter Craven.
Let Sky have their early EL meetings but start the EL properly once much of the other stuff has finished. Maybe limit the early EL matches to one home and one away for each club.
If you do away with the B Fixtures you will find that you can run a eaningful season with the only interuption being the SWC.
These things can all be done and would benefit the EL greatly: All that is required is for the BSPA to show some balls and make some real fundamental ways in which the EL goes. Unfortunately you can forget about the BSPA showing some balls and next year will be just as big a balls up as been every season since we joined the EL: Not to say it was any better before we joined it. |
I never said it would be easy: I said it would be worth it. |
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milky
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 19:31:01
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| Was it just me that didn't think the world cup meeting was good on monday like everyone is saying. I must of been watching another meeting that sky was showing |
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Goldhawk
GP Superstar
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 19:42:16
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Galloping Mauger featured in Anglia T.V. news tonight ( Wednesday 28th )at K.L. Monday.Showed footage briefly of his 1972 Wembley triumph .
Couldn't believe it when he got headlined at begining of news.
What a change to see Speedway plugged on T.V. , it took a track legend to do it though  |
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Goldhawk
GP Superstar
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 19:45:07
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Originally posted by milky
Was it just me that didn't think the world cup meeting was good on monday like everyone is saying. I must of been watching another meeting that sky was showing
Are you Australian by any chance Milky ???  |
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Old Saint
GP Superstar
United Kingdom
1975 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 20:19:22
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Originally posted by Goldhawk
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Thereafter any winning P.L. team on winning can be elevated to E.L. until E.L. back to 14 teams with full cash incentive from Sky to do so.
Why should there be a "cash incentive from Sky"? They pay a sum of money to broadcast, I believe, a set number of meetings. I am not sure but would think that the contract is for a specific number of years and to achieve what you say would need a re negotiation of that contract. Cannot see why Sky would want to do that.
The thought does occur to me that given that a set sum of money is paid by Sky under the terms of a contract, it would not be in the interests of some promoters to allow expansion of the Elite League. More teams would mean that the money has to be shared with smaller amounts going to clubs.
I would not bet that Sky are too bothered in how many teams are in the Elite League as long as they get their quota of meetings. As for the entertainment value, Sky merely have to say that certain changes are needed and they will most likely happen. |
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Goldhawk
GP Superstar
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 22:36:27
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Originally posted by Old Saint
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Originally posted by Goldhawk
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Thereafter any winning P.L. team on winning can be elevated to E.L. until E.L. back to 14 teams with full cash incentive from Sky to do so.
Why should there be a "cash incentive from Sky"? They pay a sum of money to broadcast, I believe, a set number of meetings. I am not sure but would think that the contract is for a specific number of years and to achieve what you say would need a re negotiation of that contract. Cannot see why Sky would want to do that.
The thought does occur to me that given that a set sum of money is paid by Sky under the terms of a contract, it would not be in the interests of some promoters to allow expansion of the Elite League. More teams would mean that the money has to be shared with smaller amounts going to clubs.
I would not bet that Sky are too bothered in how many teams are in the Elite League as long as they get their quota of meetings. As for the entertainment value, Sky merely have to say that certain changes are needed and they will most likely happen.
The bottom line O.S. is that it is criminal the clubs like Sheffield,Birmingham & K.L. are not in E.L. something has to be done to get them back in top flight a.s.a.p.The Promotion only for top P.L. team is a controlled way of bringing up further teams every year thereafter until E.L. looks like it should do 14/15 teams, forget about the joke called relegation.There must be a finiancial incentive somewhere to achieve all this and rebuild E.L. as a whole.
I take the point about Sky monies being diluted but surely another sponsor could also be found too and Sky surely would want a much improved E.L. with variety,more top names and hopefully bigger crowds and new race tracks to schdule. These three tracks mentioned are all excellent race tracks in fact better than most in current E.L.
I wouldn't have said this a few years ago but if E.L. can be brought back to something like it should then fortnightly meetings seems a fair price to pay, a bit like Poland's Extraliga although nowhere near as strong , i.e. QUALITY OVER QUANTITY.
I think J.C. has mentioned something like this in recent past.
Regards,
Goldhawk
P.S. Was pleased you caught up with your idol at Lakeside  |
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Nobby
GP Superstar
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 22:51:21
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| All this talk of a Big Sponsor or group of sponsors to give huge sums of money to get the Elite League up to 12-14 teams sounds really great...........but I have to ask the question, what exactly would these sponsors get back, or want in return ??? It's very much a two way thing !!! Would it just be advertising, as that is not such a big thing in speedway at the moment even if Elite League racing is shown on Sky Sports. For the sums of money we must be talking about to convince 3-5 teams to 'come up a level' I feel a major sponsor would want more personally. Also what would Sky TV say about another sponsor being involved ?? It is, after all, called the SKY SPORTS Elite League at the moment...would they want competition or would they just pull the plug and televise Polish speedway instead. That would still attract many fans to watch speedway on the TV. It has been tried already to get the Kings Lynns, Birminghams, Sheffields to go Elite League....and thay have all said 'No thanks, we are doing alright where we are thank you very much', so how much will it cost to make them change their minds ???? Not just a few 'sheckels' I feel sure !!! |
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Goldhawk
GP Superstar
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 23:42:47
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...Maybe you could chuck a few quid in Nobby ?? No seriously a way surely has to be found to get a sensible number of clubs and league , those tracks are must have for E.L. in my view.If promoters want to rescue our E.L. then some serious thinking has to take place how this can be achieved, money is needed and needs to be invested. Can't do = Won't do, its their business and their responsability otherwise crowds will continue to decline and that would be very sad.
Things will only improve by well thought out change not luck. |
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Goldhawk
GP Superstar
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 23:58:03
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Just to illastrate the point Nobby. ( please excuse spelling )
We could get the Witches say for a challenge , the K.O. Cup , Then two league matches , then if we qualify , the Play Offs and so on zzzzzzzzzzzzz 
You and I both know mate this isn't good for E.L. and we all got to see clubs once or twice a season in past and this was terrific with variety of clubs and riders and interest.
People don't watch repeats on T.V. , many fans I feel don't with speedway , especially in current climate.
It may well be wishful thinking but fixture list and increasing number E.L. teams should finually be made a top priority instead of all these two bob silly rules.Keep the sport SIMPLE and sort out whats wrong before to late. |
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Old Saint
GP Superstar
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Posted - 29 Jul 2010 : 07:49:54
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If I were a promoter of a Premier League team, chance would be a fine thing, I would not touch the current Elite League with the proverbial barge pole. It really would need major changes before I considered moving into those exalted circles. Indeed, I suggest that the best way for the Elite League to go forward would be to start again from scratch. There appears to be too much influence in too few hands.
More teams, as long as they included quality or entertaining riders, would help to rekindle the interest. Part of the excitement of the past was waiting to see the likes of Fundin, Craven and Moore but knowing that if you missed the meeting, there would be quite a while before the chance came again.
I assume that other promotions were the same, Southampton programmes always had the back page devoted to the next meeting. That page listed the riders who would be appearing the following week and served to whet the appetite even more. This was especially so when you knew that, barring any unforeseen (and genuine) injuries, those riders were certain to be there. Such a thing would be virtually impossible now. It was rare for meetings, or teams, to be changed at short notice and the fixture list published at the beginning of the season was virtually the same all through the season.
I may be wrong but the Premier League seems to offer more of the same kind of certainty. A little uncertainty in life can be stimulating but the Elite League takes the uncertainty to extremes and only serves to be frustrating.
Interspersing League meetings with the odd Knockout Cup or Individual meeting helped to maintain the interest. The Elite League is very much a case of "same old, same old" only brightened up by the usual allegations of "rule manipulation". Why not change the British Championship and run it along the lines of the old way? Allow all riders to compete and have qualifying rounds etc - it would provide a welcome diversion from the current boring format.
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kentnewseasonholder
GP Superstar
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jul 2010 : 09:35:56
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Originally posted by Nobby
All this talk of a Big Sponsor or group of sponsors to give huge sums of money to get the Elite League up to 12-14 teams sounds really great...........but I have to ask the question, what exactly would these sponsors get back, or want in return ??? It's very much a two way thing !!! Would it just be advertising, as that is not such a big thing in speedway at the moment even if Elite League racing is shown on Sky Sports. For the sums of money we must be talking about to convince 3-5 teams to 'come up a level' I feel a major sponsor would want more personally. Also what would Sky TV say about another sponsor being involved ?? It is, after all, called the SKY SPORTS Elite League at the moment...would they want competition or would they just pull the plug and televise Polish speedway instead. That would still attract many fans to watch speedway on the TV. It has been tried already to get the Kings Lynns, Birminghams, Sheffields to go Elite League....and thay have all said 'No thanks, we are doing alright where we are thank you very much', so how much will it cost to make them change their minds ???? Not just a few 'sheckels' I feel sure !!!
If the EL does not sort itself soon,Sky might ONLY have Polish League Speedway to show !
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I agree with what GOLDHAWK says and the EL must increase in numbers.
With Leicester and maybe another in the Premier League next year the unbalance of numbers in the Leagues is all wrong. |
Edited by - kentnewseasonholder on 29 Jul 2010 09:40:34 |
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